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Looking for something to do? There are plenty of ways that you can help expand Traxus and help us move toward a viable resource for the Marathon community! Easy places to start are expanding articles that are fleshing out stubs or creating articles that are linked to often but do not exist yet.

Old discussions are currently being archived here.

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WP

Serious help needed for the Marathon total conversions page. (It was that page that led me here, actually.) I'd really like to see all the descriptions follow a similar style, but I don't know enough about all the various scenarios to write those intros. ⇔ ChristTrekker 14:07, 1 Feb 2007 (CST)

Oh Lord, you are right. I will go through and start stripping crap out but, like you, I know nothing about each scenario. Until someone who knows what they are talking about comes along, I figure we can just paraphrase whatever each project's homepage says about it. I will add further comments about the article over there. MrHen. 15:12, 1 Feb 2007 (CST)

interwiki

What does it take to get added to the interwiki directory used by Wikipedia? It would be great if the Marathon articles there could (easily) have pointers to Traxus for additional information. Similarly and conversely, here there could be occasions where it would be handy to link a certain term, but needn't have our own page for it. E.g. I might be reading about the plasma cannon and think "What the heck is 'plasma', anyway?" OK, OK, I'm a big geek, I know... ⇔ ChristTrekker 10:04, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

The page to request additions to the interwiki map appears to be here, but the part about "Interwiki prefixes should be reserved for websites that would be useful on a significant number of pages" could be a problem. I'm not sure it'd be worth it just for links at the bottom of the 11 content pages in Wikipedia:Category:Marathon (computer game). --Andrew Nagy 17:53, 4 February 2008 (CST)

Too many meta pages?

It seems like there should be more interconnectedness between this page, Traxus:About, Main Page, Help:Contents, and Traxus:Standards, with possibly some merging of pages; but I'm not completely clear on what the specific scope of each page is. --Andrew Nagy 15:24, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

I have the impression that some of these pages were automatically created by the Wiki software. I do not remember any particular discussion about the purpose or scope. I created the Standards page because I had no idea where to put its content. My gut reaction: Traxus:About should be information about about this Wiki, its purpose, information about the server, perhaps a short history. Main Page is a small introduction and description about the content of this wiki and helps people get a handle on where to go. Eventually, a featured page would be kind of neat. Help:Contents would be information about how to create articles in the wiki. (This is only my two cents.) MrHen. 09:37, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
Some of that seems to duplicate what I've tried to with Template:Level? Also, I think at some point the regulars decided to stop using namespaces to categorize everything; so the links would preferably be more like "Image:Waterloo Waterpark map.png" and "Terminals on Waterloo Waterpark" (or "Waterloo Waterpark terminals"). --Andrew Nagy 00:06, 1 February 2008 (CST)


Yeah, MediaWiki automatically has links to certain pages built in. (Like this edit screen has a link to Project:Copyrights just below.) Some of them may be useful for a particular wiki, some may not, but at least they can provide some consistency across wikis for newbies that are familiar with the software. On another wiki where I'm a sysop, I try to stub them in when I find them, even if its just a link to the main "about us" page. ⇔ ChristTrekker 11:00, 30 October 2007 (CDT)

Wikipedia Links

If you look at the Wanted Pages, many of them would be more completely described on Wikipedia. What should these pages become? --Dodopod 21:28, 19 December 2007 (CST)

For some, I agree. We probably don't need our own article on Microsoft.... Others, like flamethrower, are readily fixed with a redirect. ⇔ ChristTrekker 09:49, 20 December 2007 (CST)
I agree. The way I look at it: if the information that a Marathon fan is looking for will be different (or more extensive) than what Wikipedia provides, an article is warranted. One option is to simply have the relevant information and a link to Wikipedia. MrHen. 14:18, 20 December 2007 (CST)

template:scenario timeline

Has anyone ever put together a timeline to denote the sequence of all the scenarios? It might be interesting to play through them in a semblance of chronological order. I know there is M1 → M2 → M∞ → Eternal, and M1 → M2 → M∞ → Gray Incident → Portal of Sigma, and Siege of Nor'khor → Evil, and DiaBD → EMR. Some of them are explicitly not set in the Bungie universe, whereas others clearly are, and others I just don't know about. How do they all relate? Where do other well-known scenarios fit in? ⇔ ChristTrekker 13:26, 7 January 2008 (CST)

I for one have no idea. It'd be an interesting project, but you'd need someone who's either played close to every major scenario or has the spare time to do so; neither one is me. Also, a major headache would probably be deciding how to incorporate all the scenarios that have time travel or/and multiple timelines (M2 and Infinity's conflicting endings, Tempus Irae, The Black Series, Rubicon and Eternal, to name just a few). --Andrew Nagy 22:28, 27 January 2008 (CST)
I looked at how Wikipedia does it, and they use a <timeline> element, which we evidently do not support. A quasi-graphical timeline could be done in other ways, I suppose. You're correct that assembling the info is the first hurdle. ⇔ ChristTrekker 12:39, 29 January 2008 (CST)
there's also m2 → WMaiD → rubicon --Ecpeterson 23:50, 31 January 2008 (CST)
I don't think I'm familiar with WMaiD??? So many of these scenarios I've played about 4-8 levels in and then gave up. ⇔ ChristTrekker 14:17, 2 February 2008 (CST)
It's currently incomplete, and hasn't been heard from since November. The Big House site has a demo available. --Andrew Nagy 14:31, 2 February 2008 (CST)

Color scheme

Complaint: It's a lot easier to read page comparisons in the Wikipedia-standard color scheme, where changed text is bolded and in a different color rather than simply underlined or struckthrough. Is fixing that still on the to-do list? --Andrew Nagy 13:51, 28 January 2008 (CST)

Wow, you were right. That is a lot easier to read.  :) MrHen. 14:30, 28 January 2008 (CST)
I talked about it with doy yesterday, I'll see what we can do this afternoon. It's too easy to forget about things you've promised to do when they aren't constantly right in front of you.  :) --Ecpeterson 12:50, 31 January 2008 (CST)
Traxus is now running Mediawiki 1.11.1, and I've updated the default skin with the css changes that recent versions of mediawiki have introduced (I think we had been running a modified version of the monobook skin from 1.4 up until now...). I've also included the regular monobook skin as an option (in your preferences) for all those people who find Traxus's default skin hard to read. People should let me know if there are any parts of the site that I missed when doing the update, or if anything broke. Doy 18:56, 3 February 2008 (CST)
Mistake: The "There is currently no text in this page" message currently appears black-on-black in the Traxus skin. --Andrew Nagy 19:10, 3 February 2008 (CST)
Fixed. Doy 19:33, 3 February 2008 (CST)
Thanks for the updates. (Me likes new features/fixes!) But I miss the black skin. It made Traxus the most (only) visually unique wiki I visit. ⇔ ChristTrekker 08:11, 4 February 2008 (CST)
The black skin is still the default, it's just that previously I hadn't changed the name from 'monobook', and so existing users will still be set to use the skin named 'monobook', which is now the actual monobook skin. You can change this in your preferences (the black skin is now called 'Traxus')... I might go back and see if there's some way to change this setting globally through SQL or something, except that I don't know SQL(: Doy 10:10, 4 February 2008 (CST)
Ah, OK. So new registrants will get the black "traxus" skin, but existing users already set to "monobook" got flipped from black to standard. No problem, I'll just go change my prefs then. ⇔ ChristTrekker 10:44, 4 February 2008 (CST)
As it turns out, I know very little SQL, but I know enough Perl to make things like this happen magically. All existing users have now been set to use the traxus skin, and they can set themselves to the monobook skin through their preferences if they really want it. Doy 17:24, 4 February 2008 (CST)
On diff pages, was the background for older text (the left column) always 7F7F00? --Andrew Nagy 18:02, 4 February 2008 (CST)
I'm not sure what you mean... the background for older text on the traxus skin is 666622, as far as I can tell. Doy 18:19, 4 February 2008 (CST)
Bah, next time I'll actually check. I just thought it was something with better contrast that was easier to read before, but it may be the addition of red text that's misleading me. --Andrew Nagy 18:21, 4 February 2008 (CST)
I might have changed it during the update, I just kind of picked a color that looked decent. If you have a choice that you think would be more readable, feel free to suggest it. Doy 18:27, 4 February 2008 (CST)

Someone (GPT?) elsewhere on this talk page complained about it being difficult to differentiate links from text. I'd like to suggest that the default Traxus theme should color links in green, and visited links in dark green. Nicely complements the nonexistent links being red; and green/black/white is a nice Marathony color scheme anyway. Pfhorrest 16:11, 21 February 2008 (CST)

Seconded. ⇔ ChristTrekker 07:56, 22 February 2008 (CST)
Should just make the font green like in the terminals, make links red, and clicked links dark green. its a nice marathony terminal font.
I don't know that I'd want to see all text green. The black/white contrast is easier to read, and green and red are useful as highlight colors for important stuff (like links). ⇔ ChristTrekker 12:41, 9 June 2008 (CDT)

So... what's it take for this to happen? I assume Ecpeterson has to make this change, yes? Also, I think maybe green headers would serve to break the page up nicely and add a touch of color. Maybe make links yellow instead of green, in that case, to avoid confusion? Yellow and red for link colors makes a nice match. Pfhorrest 20:00, 12 September 2008 (CDT)

Anybody with access to change the CSS files (i.e. an admin) could do it. There was talk of expanding the number of admins upon moving to b.o, but I haven't heard anything recently.
Regarding the actual colors to use, does anyone want to review terminals to see how colors/styles are used to indicate things there? ? Then we could try to reproduce that here. ⇔ ChristTrekker 15:14, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

What to do with Traxus?

I'm of the opinion that Traxus's mission needs to be defined more efficiently, under the following criteria:

  • 1) What is Traxus for, and what is it not for? Should it include non-canon materials (third party maps and scenarios)? Materials about Forge, Anvil, AlephOne, and other non-Marathon programs? Should it include story discussion? Clarity in this point will allow us to actually come up with a main page that tells people what Traxus is for.
  • 2) What standardized formats should we come up with for the various types of pages? It greatly lends to our credibility as a good site to have one format for each kind of page.
  • 3) What features still need to be implemented into the wiki to make it work better for our needs?

This post comes as a result of some fierce discussion in the IRC channel, and as a result there have been some ideas about each of these in turn:

  • 1) Traxus should cover everything related to Marathon, but not things related to AlephOne functionality. That's what AlephWiki is for, and it's likely that people coming to Traxus don't care about AlephWiki and vice-versa. Other programs (Forge, etc) were not discussed. If that sounds accurate to everyone else, then the main page should be retooled to actually show what Traxus has before what it needs.
  • 2) Some ideas were tossed around about cleaning up the map description pages in particular; there's no real rhyme or reason to some of them, and some of them (such as Waterloo Waterpark) are quite large when they probably shouldn't be. One idea was to have a sidebar that linked to the overhead map and the terminal information, but that requires people that have experience with Wiki Markup.
  • 3) There's a lot that we probably should have, but it's a little more productive to discuss what can actually be done... and not much of that was done.

I can't admit I much use Traxus, but I would really like it to become a more credible source for Marathon information. Right now, I just get the sense that it's really disorganized, with people tossing in stuff here and there, but nobody is really trimming the hedges and making sure things work right. Adding content of course is important, but in order to be a good site there needs to be a good system that governs it.

Of course, this is all a bunch of theorycraft. RyokoTK 1/31/08 11:48 PM CDT

Consider this as a demo template for each map page.
Map Information
Waterloo Waterpark
Scenario: Marathon 2
Chapter: Lh'owon
Level: 01 Level Index
Overhead map: Overhead:Waterloo Waterpark
Terminals: Terminal:Waterloo Waterpark
The benefit to such a table is that, when people load the map page in question, what they'll see is primarily text. They'll see a summary of the level's storyline, and then maybe a further analysis and some pertinent gameplay notes, and maybe a brief walkthrough as well. That also brings up the issue of whether or not Traxus is for map walkthroughs or not. Either way, it'll keep the big images and other stuff off of the actual page, but the links are front-and-center for those who actually are here for them. RyokoTK 2/01/08 12:04 AM CDT
Some of that seems to duplicate what I've tried to with Template:Level? Also, I think at some point the regulars decided to stop using namespaces to categorize everything; so the links would preferably be more like "Image:Waterloo Waterpark map.png" and "Terminals on Waterloo Waterpark" (or "Waterloo Waterpark terminals"). --Andrew Nagy 00:06, 1 February 2008 (CST)
Golly, it really is like Template:Level. And yet, nobody uses it (to my knowledge), which is why I brought it up in the first place. But it's this sort of thing that I mean; "well we kinda don't want to do it this way anymore" isn't a very good system under which to operate things. RyokoTK 2/01/08 12:16 AM CDT
Our system right now is to add rules to Traxus:Standards as they're thought of or needed. An explanation of the namespace system (possibly condensed from [1] or [2]) would probably be good to have there, though, if someone wanted to add it. --Andrew Nagy 00:38, 1 February 2008 (CST)

Wikipedia's rules on external links

Something I noticed recently: Item 13 on Wikipedia's "Links normally to be avoided" list is "Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors.". Another says to avoid "adding the same link to many articles". This makes me somewhat hesitant about adding more Traxus links to Wikipedia articles, at least without establishing consensus on the relevant talk pages, or possibly trying to get a standard agreed on for exactly what wikis qualify as linkable. --Andrew Nagy 16:25, 4 February 2008 (CST)

ok, you tell me if this is neat or completely over-the-top...

How about themed messages?

Incoming message from Thoth...
 A very minor/routine notice, such as stub.
UESCTerm 802.11 (remote override) Return/Enter to Acknowledge
A nifty title would go here, if I could think of one Error
 All texts have defaults, which can be modified. This is an example with everything modified.
More interactive than a terminal... Acknowledge with a click!
Incoming message from Merlin...
They're everywhere!
Tycho is a wuss Return/Enter to Acknowledge
Incoming message from the S'pht...
 The default main text phrase is somewhat random. Reload to see variants.
UESCTerm 802.11 (remote override) Return/Enter to Acknowledge
Incoming message from the Pfhor...
 They're everywhere!
UESCTerm 802.11 (remote override) Return/Enter to Acknowledge

The general idea was to have three (green/yellow/red) classes of notices, roughly based on importance. Then I added another for the really minor ones that we probably don't want taking up so much space (it is still big, but it's a work in progress) and another for tips (not important in the sense of a warning, but important in the sense of interesting). Obviously I don't have all the images in place yet. What do you think? Cool, or corny? ⇔ ChristTrekker 10:06, 8 February 2008 (CST)

I would say too over the top. But interesting... very interesting... MrHen. 13:17, 8 February 2008 (CST)
Could this be improved, or is it irredeemable? I think theming would be really cool. ⇔ ChristTrekker 09:41, 28 February 2008 (CST)

Alright, I've trimmed the minor notices waaay down. Does this make it more usable? ⇔ ChristTrekker 09:48, 2 May 2008 (CDT)

I'm pretty fond of all of them, they're quite cute and they don't (wouldn't) get in the way. --Ecpeterson 12:10, 2 May 2008 (CDT)

What's the Merlin logo look like? (haven't really played EMR) --Dodopod 15:50, 28 June 2008 (CDT)

It's an owl with the word "Merlin" across it. (Seemed like a good option for an "info" box.) I'd prefer to get the logo without the text. Any of the EMR artists want to contribute? ⇔ ChristTrekker 12:58, 30 June 2008 (CDT)
Still hopeful that someone from EMR follows this wiki. ↔ ChristTrekker 20:56, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Finally spent the time to get atque to build, so I could extract the Merlin logo. ChristTrekker 15:38, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

thumbnails

You may want to look at the styles used for thumbnail images in the black skin. See Leela and Thoth. My guess is we want to have a black background, with maybe a silver border or something. ⇔ ChristTrekker 14:20, 8 February 2008 (CST)

I made it readable, but I'm not sure where that thick border around three of the sides is coming from. I'll look into it more later. Doy 16:37, 8 February 2008 (CST)
Thanks for that. It's nested in DIVs with classes "thumb tright" and "thumbinner". I'd look at the definition of ".thumb" and ".tright". ⇔ ChristTrekker 17:19, 8 February 2008 (CST)
It's probably the .tright div then... I upgraded to FF3 a few weeks ago, and firebug hasn't been updated yet, so debugging these things is more annoying than it should be(: ... Looking at this some more, it seems to be intentional. Would this look better if we kept the large border and just made it darker or something? I'll make that change, tell me what you think. Doy 17:46, 8 February 2008 (CST)
What is firebug?? If it's a useful web dev tool, maybe I should check it out. ⇔ ChristTrekker 17:31, 8 February 2008 (CST)
firebug If you're doing web dev with firefox and not using firebug, I don't know what's wrong with you d: Doy 17:44, 8 February 2008 (CST)
Cool. It is probably new since I last did any serious development. My plugins were Dom Inspector, Web Developer Toolbar, Live HTTP Headers, Html Validator, cmSiteNavigation. ⇔ ChristTrekker 21:34, 8 February 2008 (CST)
BTW, I'm still on FF 1.5 here at home. Just to show how far out of the loop I am on web dev. Though I do have the new iCab 4. ⇔ ChristTrekker 21:34, 8 February 2008 (CST)

Scenario Sections and Strategy Guides

So, some people have suggested to me that Eternal should have its own wiki, and a lot of people seem to be clamoring for a spoiler guide, which seem like two things that would go great together; and I'm thinking, rather than set up my own wiki on B.org to handle this, what are the possibilities of setting up scenario-specific sections here on Traxus? I wrote up a big "director's commentary" that would provide some interesting commentary content to start off all the Eternal level pages with; include a little stub notification under a section called "strategy" for players to fill in with helpful strategy suggestions and let them take it from there. I'll link to the Eternal portal here from the Eternal site too.

In fact, now that I think about it, that would probably be a good idea for beefing out Traxus content in general: move content from the Marathon spoiler guide to here, which according to itself is permissible so long as the copyright notice remains intact (I wonder if noting the copyright notice in the edit history notes would suffice?).

Eh? Pfhorrest 14:55, 1 March 2008 (CST)

First suggestion: There's some precedent for scenario-specific sections; for one thing, we have maps for all the levels in The Gray Incident. I'm not sure the idea of a director's commentary fits with a site anyone can edit, though; that sounds like something that would have to be off-site, or at least on the articles' talk pages.
Second suggestion: Maybe, but on the other hand the Guide isn't likely to disappear, and including a link to each level's Guide page works well enough. I'd rather see the same effort used to bring in information that's not as easy to find. --Andrew Nagy 15:27, 1 March 2008 (CST)
The idea for director's commentary in the Wiki came from how the Errant Story wiki includes "Poe notes" (example), comments which the author (Michael Poe) has made about the comic. But I suppose Poe does post those comments to the ES forums first, from where they get copied to the Wiki. I suppose I can post my Director's Commentary in the upcoming Eternal X Volunteers series on the Story Forum, and those could be archived here.
And the idea about copying the Spoiler Guide material here is to make this site as informative and useful as it possibly could be, so that more people will come here and add that obscure content you speak of. --Pfhorrest 21:09, 1 March 2008 (CST)
Wiki's are generally for non-original material. All comments/spoilers/walkthroughs etc. belong here for anything related to Marathon. I would say that includes Eternal. The catch: there should be a precedent somewhere else. Like the MSP forums. Director's commentary sounds great for a blog or something like that, too. Thanks to how categories work, however, anything Eternal related would stay in a quasi Eternal section of the wiki. Any strategy discussions could go in the Talk pages, but I would just suggest a forum. MrHen. 19:06, 1 March 2008 (CST)
Actually, on further thought I think the main reason for the precedent thing is just that the information needs to be verifiable. If you wanted to, you could conceivably worked around that by first adding it, then adding a diff link to your own edit as a citation. --Andrew Nagy 19:16, 29 August 2008 (CDT)
As for the Spoiler guide, the tips and strategies there could be added here. Go for it. MrHen. 19:06, 1 March 2008 (CST)
Something of an original nature, like a Director's Commentary, should be a fit for User space IMHO. On other smaller wikis like this one, I've written essays in my User space. Anybody can edit them, but when it's prefixed with your name, it announces a level of ownership that I think this community can respect. ⇔ ChristTrekker 09:32, 7 November 2008 (CST)

Googlability

So like, Google just added this new autocomplete feature? And I noticed that typing "marathon w" is enough for it to show "marathon wiki" in its guesses, and "marathon gam" is enough to get "marathon game wiki". This suggests that both are at least somewhat popular search terms, but Traxus doesn't show up in the first page for either search. Should something be done about that?

Unrelated to that, the Story forum still shows up in the first page of results for "aieee seat". I still find that amusing. --Andrew Nagy 19:36, 29 August 2008 (CDT)

Well, Google is indexing us, we're just not very highly ranked, or at least not highly ranked relative to those searches. Some possible problems for this include the relative lack of people linking to us, what Google thinks applies to us, and a brief enumeration of what link titles do exist. I don't really know what we can do, beyond whip the community into a linking frenzy, and that hasn't gone well to date. Entirely open to suggestions. --Ecpeterson 10:34, 30 August 2008 (CDT)
Would the words "Marathon" and "wiki" in the title bar help? --Andrew Nagy 17:15, 30 August 2008 (CDT)
Done! --Ecpeterson 18:57, 31 August 2008 (CDT)
The word "game" might also help. Right now googling just marathon+wiki brings up the Wikipedia pages on marathons in general, four more specific marathons and the Battle of Marathon before Pfhorpedia or Traxus, while googling marathon+game+wiki at least brings up Pfhorpedia and Aleph One Wiki if not Traxus. --Andrew Nagy 04:05, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I made a standardized weapon article format

For examples, check the Infinity weapon articles. -- CKY 18:28, 11 September 2008 (GST+8)

legal issues

Does anyone have a good grasp on the legality of redistributing scenarios? If so, could you please summarize here…or better yet, create an article about it? ⇔ ChristTrekker 12:05, 4 November 2008 (CST)

Forrest just recently posted a response to a similar query on the M-Dev mailing list, maybe you can glean something from that? --Ecpeterson 17:46, 5 November 2008 (CST)
That was me. ☺ Just trying to hit the whole audience. ⇔ ChristTrekker 08:12, 6 November 2008 (CST)

Move to bungie.org

I'm moving on from Marathon, and to ensure that I don't take down Traxus in a fit of loch, I'm handing the hosting off to Claude at bungie.org. I'm also looking for one of you (or maybe both, since the only two serious people on here are Nagy and ChristTrekker) to step up as administrators so that I can slack off on that too. Being an administrator doesn't mean anything more than clicking 'yes, I reviewed this change,' and given our supremely low traffic volume it's not asking much. And I'll likely still be around in some extremely reduced capacity, just to see how things are going. What do you two think of being given the appropriate powers? (Sysop, I guess.) --Ecpeterson 19:03, 19 January 2009 (CST)

Ideas are currently stirring about a major reorganization on marathon.bungie.org and other sites in the Marathon community. I'd like to propose the merger of Traxus with the SBO wiki into a single unified Marathon community wiki; and possibly the expansion of it into the central, user-driven Marathon community site. --Pfhorrest 03:04, 7 February 2009 (CST)
I'm interested. Are you around on IRC (or, less conveniently, Hotline) to discuss this? --Ecpeterson 17:15, 8 February 2009 (CST)
Sounds interesting. Having a single wiki makes sense to me. There are like three now?? ⇔ ChristTrekker 15:11, 9 February 2009 (CST)
Yes, there are currently (at least) three, though a merger with "Pfhorpedia" will never happen since their license is more restrictive than ours (and SBO wiki specifies no license at all). --Pfhorrest 20:13, 12 February 2009 (CST)
Can you elaborate on this reorganization? Is there someone who can actually create new pages (I'd love to see someone fix s.b.o., for example)? As far as merging wikis, there are will be a few issues to resolve, but nothing serious. Treellama 16:34, 17 February 2009 (CST)
Sure, I'll help with admin duties. ⇔ ChristTrekker 15:11, 9 February 2009 (CST)
Although it wasn't offered, I'd like to put out there that I will do what I can as far as aiding in the administrative efforts go, if you want another admin. --Pfhorrest 20:13, 12 February 2009 (CST)

Huzzah, it is done. --Pfhorrest 22:49, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

issues

I've been having some kind of esb/webkit-esque problem (as ecpeterson calls it) pretty much ever since Traxus moved to b.o but I use Firefox almost exclusively for editing. I'll try to provide more information about exactly when and where I see it happen. ⇔ ChristTrekker 15:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

If you're not familiar with the problem on ESB, a bunch of people have problems when using Safari. The software -- for whatever reason -- suffixes their names with WEBKIT and then a bunch of garbage. I have no idea if that's been resolved. --Ecpeterson 19:50, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

We seem to have lost a number of things we previously had. Recent edit comments indicate we lost the references extension, and the left-side navigation is still incomplete, just for starters. Is there anyone actively maintaining this wiki now? Or was it dumped here just so that it wouldn't completely disappear? ⇔ ChristTrekker 14:32, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

A little of both. If you need something installed server-side, talk to Claude Errera (errera@bungie.org). And the left side of the page isn't incomplete, it's just awkwardly duplicated, which is a problem stemming from straight up copying the old theme on to a more recent MediaWiki installation. Who knows if it'll get fixed. --Ecpeterson 14:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
That would be the Cite.php extension. Willful 22:00, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Special:Upload is not enabled anymore, which is annoying for uploading maps. Willful 07:50, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Any chance of this getting fixed? Anyone? Anyone? ⇔ ChristTrekker 13:13, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Moving Marathon ∞ to Marathon ? results in a Mediawiki error. The suggested fix is to set $wgDBmysql5 to false, or change the mysql collation. Willful 21:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

and I've been having trouble with the ♫ and ∞ characters. The mysql is probably set up with a latin1 collation. Willful 21:21, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Mediawiki latest version is 1.15.1, traxus' one is 1.13.4 Willful 22:15, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Do we have any active admins any more? I'd be happy to do whatever cleanup I can from within the wiki, but we need someone will access to the server to resolve some of these issues too. ⇔ ChristTrekker 19:00, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Anyone? Claude? It's been over a year. There are still problems with non-latin characters. ⇔ ChristTrekker 16:11, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
I think you'd have better luck emailing him. I doubt he bothers with traxus RSS. Treellama 16:21, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
There's no problem with the encoding as is, right? Just that the previous database dumb used a different encoding, so all those are mixed up. If that's the case (and I suspect it is), then this will appear as a symbol of CATHOLICISM: ✝ , and what we really need to do at this point is hunt down all the offending characters and change them ourselves. This is a serious argument for why we should have been using HTML entities all along. At any rate, don't bother Claude; this isn't his problem. --Ecpeterson 01:29, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Claude said he flipped that $wgDBmysql5 toggle, which seems to have helped. We may still have to fix broken characters as we find them, though. ⇔ ChristTrekker 19:21, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Merger

I was wondering if the community here at Traxus is still open to the idea of a merger with Pfhorpedia. I (Vanguard7 over there) took over the site after finding it abandoned by GPT. I believe that both of us, Traxus and Pfhorpedia, could benefit from this. As I stated before to Christtrekker, y'all have excellent level walkthroughs, as well as 3rd party scenario articles, and other very well thought out gameplay articles. These are all things I sorely lack, at one capacity or an other, but what I do have are good story-based articles. This, I feel, is a match made in heaven. I leave this decision up to Traxus as a whole. --Vanguard 03:41, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I understand that this was discussed here before, I found the discussion inconclusive, and I am unclear as to what the big legal issue was/is. If someone could plainly explain that, it would be great--Vanguard 03:49, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

The rough summary of it was that our license (or our lack of license, depending upon perspective) is far too weak to be in any sense compatible with the GFDL that Wikia requires of all its clients. So a merger with Pfhorpedia (whether we move our stuff to Wikia or the Wikia stuff to here) is not possible without vastly strengthening our license -- and as a once-major contributor to our content, this idea doesn't sit well with me. There was some additional scuffle about whether we'd have better visibility at Wikia than here, but I never really bought into that, it was never a major point in the argument, and now that we're part of bungie.org I'm sure we're doing the best we can. --Ecpeterson 06:13, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
I can understand your reluctance, but (and I don't mean to sound like an idiot) how does a license (yours and mine) affect a wiki and its editors?--Vanguard 21:55, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Hope you don't mind me indenting your response.
The license attached to a wiki is a set of legal binds that restrict how its content can be reproduced, distributed, edited, and maintained. Our license is inherently incompatible with the GFDL (a popular license that all Wikia sites use), and moreover only ours is also flexible enough that we could change it if we wanted to -- now that you've adopted it, one condition of the GFDL is that you never weaken it. An outsider might protest that such legalese is unnecessary and unimportant; after all, we're just talking about community-maintained Bungie trivia, and who's going to get into a legal hassle over that? And that is exactly the reason why I don't want to convert Traxus to a GFDL license, since its current one much more accurately reflects that easy-going philosophy. --Ecpeterson 22:54, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
No problem.
Hmm... I was was unaware of that fine print (lawyers...) But I do agree that it is a bit ridiculous to have such a restrictive license Pfhor a game that is 10+ years old, (my punishment Pfhor setting up on Wikia) and I can respect that y'all want to keep a flexible license, but there is a definite split-traffic problem--Vanguard 03:17, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Posting here for possible reference: I just encountered a link to this site on the downsides of using Wikia. (Found via this forum thread.) --Andrew Nagy 04:50, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

There's been some chatter on the Pfhorums again about merging with Pfhorpedia, and this time it doesn't seem like such an awful idea. In particular, I can't remember why I was so reluctant to adopt the GFDL the last time this question was posed. I'd rather move Pfhorpedia's stuff here than move our stuff onto Pfhorpedia, mostly since we're independent, advertisement-free, and hosted on m.b.o. I watch the Recent Changes RSS feed and not much else, so I probably won't be willing to do any merging myself, but I wanted to say aloud that I'm no longer opposed to the merger. --Ecpeterson 00:34, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

IIRC from the first conversation on this topic (back at the MSP I think), there is no way of shutting down a Wikia site, so the Pfhorpedia content simply cannot be merged somewhere else and the Wikia shut down, even if the somewhere else has a compatible license. You can do the "merger" if the licenses are compatible, but not shut down the Wikia side of it. So the only possible merger would be to Pfhorpedia on Wiki, which I am very much against not only for licensing reasons but because Wikia is a slow, bloated ad-splosion. One that it appears we are stuck with the existence of no matter what. --Pfhorrest 08:52, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
FWIW, I'm still opposed to merging into Pfhorpedia. Traxus is better. Biased opinion, of course, but there it is. ⇔ ChristTrekker 23:22, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

portal page

Not sure why this page displays entirely in Bank Gothic. That should only be the headers. I'm using FF 3.6.13. ⇔ ChristTrekker 15:23, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Silly me. I forgot that namespaces 4 and 12 (Traxus and Help) are styled that way also because they are "documentation". ⇔ ChristTrekker 15:35, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

holy spam attack, Batman!

Can we get a captcha on the user creation page? The situation has gotten a bit crazy now! ⇔ ChristTrekker 15:26, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I'm quite tired of deleting spam articles. I'll figure out what extensions we need for a captcha and have Claude look into installing them soon. --Ecpeterson 22:34, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
In the meantime, turn off new user registration. 😛 ⇔ ChristTrekker 19:20, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Please, make it stop! ⇔ ChristTrekker 20:43, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Every page has link spam at the bottom if you View Source in your browser, and the links aren't even rel=nofollow! Treellama 20:16, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

How the heck does that get in there‽ ↔ ChristTrekker 21:22, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
I don't know, must be some page template or something, because it's on a ton of pages. Even this one. Treellama 20:29, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

spam embedded in every page!

I just noticed that there are several dozen spam links at the foot of every page on Traxus. They aren't visible because of CSS. (Only noticed because I was experimenting with Dillo, which has poor CSS support.) I don't know where these are coming from. I searched the wiki for some of the unique text, but can't find it. If you have any ideas, please share them!ChristTrekker 14:55, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

D'oh, looks like Treellama noticed this last September and I even commented on it. Completely forgot that. ↔ ChristTrekker 14:56, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Don't know if this helps diagnose the problem, but this has the problem spam while the same link without "msgcache" does not. ↔ ChristTrekker 20:29, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Don't know about that either, but the Main Page doesn't have spam too. Willful 15:18, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
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